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Anne Washburn interview: The Mr. Burns playwright explains herself


Anne Washburn’s play Mr. Burns begins with a putting picture. A gaggle of 4 folks sits round a campfire. They’re tense, watchful, carrying weapons. A lady apparently mute with trauma crouches on the outskirts of the firelight. The group is attempting to recollect the main points of an episode of The Simpsons.

Mr. Burns takes place in a post-apocalyptic world, one now oddly extra acquainted than it was when the present was first staged in Washington, DC’s Woolly Mammoth Theatre in 2012. Humanity has been decimated by a pandemic. Within the aftermath, {the electrical} grid has failed, which in flip has led to the meltdown of the world’s nuclear reactors. Now, simply months after civilization has been completely destroyed, just a few scattered survivors are attempting to go the night time by reconstructing the 1993 Simpsons episode “Cape Feare,” which sees ex-convict Sideshow Bob setting out on a murderous marketing campaign to kill Bart Simpson.

Within the second of Mr. Burns’s three acts, we see the post-apocalyptic world superior seven years into the long run. Now, the survivors we met in Act 1 have shaped an appearing troupe. They journey what’s left of the US performing outdated episodes of The Simpsons, full with interludes for commercials and a medley of the largest pop hits of the 2000s. Within the remaining act, which takes place 75 years later, issues have modified but once more. Now, “Cape Feare” has turn into a type of epic poem {that a} new society makes use of to mourn the lack of the outdated. It’s Homer meets Homer (the opposite one).

Mr. Burns is now onstage once more on the Hudson Valley Shakespeare Competition in Garrison, New York. It’s the primary main revival of the work because it grew to become a cult sensation at New York’s Playwrights Horizon in 2013, which implies it’s additionally the primary main revival because the pandemic hit in 2020. And now that we’ve all lived by means of lockdown and what felt like a minimum of one minor apocalypse, we all know that Washburn was right about what you do on the finish of the world: you sit down and also you attempt to lose your self in some good old school consolation tv.

To seek out out extra about what Mr. Burns has to inform us about tales, how they alter, and why we’d like them, I known as Washburn up over Zoom. Highlights from our dialog, calmly edited for size and stream, are beneath.

I wish to begin with the creation of this concept. I’ve learn that you simply stated you had been enthusiastic about seeing what would occur in the event you pushed a TV present previous the apocalypse. Did you at all times take into account the identical ending level, with the TV present turning into a chunk of classical tragedy?

Sure. What I knew about it once I began was that the primary act can be proper after the autumn of civilization. The second act can be 5 or seven years later, after which the top can be 75 years later. There can be just a few outdated folks round who may nonetheless keep in mind what it had been like earlier than, however principally it could be a brand new technology.

Discuss to me concerning the growth course of for this present. How did you construct out the three acts?

I needed to begin with getting just a few actors in a room to recollect a Simpsons episode, as a result of that language of attempting to recollect one thing is so particular and fantastic and pleasant. However I didn’t wish to inconvenience my mates, the actors, for greater than a day with out paying them, and I didn’t understand how lengthy it could take. So I type of sat on this concept for a few years.

After which I used to be speaking with Steve Cosson, who’s AD [artistic director] of The Civilians, this investigative theater group that I’m a part of. He requested if I needed to use for a fee. So we [proposed Mr. Burns] for that, and the fee got here with some growth cash.

So then we plunked this group of actors collectively on this weirdo rehearsal house in a financial institution vault beneath Wall Road, which was a free house that summer time that was getting handed round.

Very post-apocalypse.

It was very post-apocalypse. Our cellphones didn’t work in there. We had been in a literal financial institution vault, with an enormous door to it. The lights flickered. It was unimaginable, type of nice and horrifying.

I knew I needed to begin with that language [of remembering], so we kind of had them keep in mind Simpsons episodes, and we had them do it many various occasions. I had a transcript of it, after which I sat on it for 2 years till Steve started to bug me, as a result of I didn’t suppose it was a present anybody would do.

I transcribed their a number of variations and put it into one model, and that was the way it began. After which I simply mainly wrote it.

The episode you landed on, “Cape Feare,” is mostly a good episode of The Simpsons for this undertaking as a result of it’s so referential. It’s constructed across the Robert De Niro film Cape Worry from 1991, which itself is a remake of the 1962 film Cape Worry and likewise closely drawing from the 1955 film Night time of the Hunter. And each of the Cape Worry films are based mostly on a novel. Did you ever have a second of being like, “Sure, this referentiality goes to be one of many huge themes of this present, and it’s all coming collectively”?

I didn’t have that practice of thought. However it appeared good.

Even earlier than we acquired the actors collectively within the room, the present was nonetheless known as Mr. Burns. So I didn’t know the way it was going to finish or what was going to occur on the ending, however I knew that Mr. Burns was a central determine of it someplace, the central villain.

We had been actually taking an opportunity on them remembering episodes that will have been good. I like to suppose what would have occurred if we’d had a special episode. How otherwise would the play have gone?

It won’t have gone otherwise. I feel the second you give you an thought for a play, in some bizarre means you’ve already structured it in your head. However then a lot of the play trusted that.

All of which is to say it felt fairly good in some ways. It’s deeply referential, but it surely’s additionally simply such a deeply primitive story: It’s a household on a river, with a killer. So it’s horrifying in that means, and likewise in a post-apocalyptic time of poor societal management, it could actually really feel proper.

I had a dialog after I had written it with Jon Vitti, who was the lead author on that episode. He got here to see it in DC, which we hadn’t thought of as a factor which may occur. I assumed, “Oh, The Simpsons is created by this phalanx of Harvard males.” All of the sudden I noticed, “Oh, there’s a author who wrote this.” I used to be kind of terrified that he wouldn’t prefer it and would really feel violated, however he beloved it.

One of many issues he stated to me that I assumed was actually attention-grabbing was that it was the apply of [The Simpsons] that you simply couldn’t reference anybody supply very notably. It was blended and mashed up in order that any viewers member coming in who won’t have seen one specific factor wouldn’t be left at sea. However this episode was written on the very finish of season 5, when that preliminary author’s room was nearly to go. They type of figured, “Fuck it.” They needed to do an episode that centered extra round one film.

Lots of people actually keep in mind that episode very properly, and I feel it’s as a result of it’s a extra intact story, and a extra intact set of references. It references one million different issues as properly, like every of them do. However it’s simpler to place collectively in your head, as a result of it retains this type of historic lineage of the remake of Cape Worry and the unique Cape Worry and Night time of the Hunter. It has this core working by means of it.

I wish to zoom out just a little now. Within the first act, we see the survivors of this apocalypse sitting across the campfire, attempting to retell this Simpsons episode from reminiscence. It feels very true to what life was like at the start of lockdown, when so many people had been spending time watching nostalgic outdated TV exhibits. Why do you suppose this type of popular culture consolation meals can really feel so necessary in occasions of deep catastrophe?

It appeared to me that in the event you had a gaggle of people that didn’t know one another round a campfire, they might wish to inform the tales they’ve in widespread. As a result of if you’re anxious, you search for tales you already know. And the tales that all of us have in widespread at this level are TV exhibits.

I imply, they was. It’s not the identical anymore. I might write it otherwise if I had been writing it now, truthfully, as a result of we’re rather more divergent. However at the moment, all people had seen The Simpsons.

Additionally, it’s humorous. It’s a spot you’ll wish to go if all the things round you was darkish and unholy. In the identical means that I used to be about to observe what I’m advised is an uncommonly nice tv collection, Chernobyl, after which the pandemic hit. And I used to be like, “That’s on maintain. I cannot watch this program, nevertheless fantastic, anytime quickly.”

I consider this play — and I didn’t consider it on this means once I wrote it — however I consider it as being in some ways a 9/11 play. It was written about 10 years afterward, and it takes about that lengthy to digest one thing. I’m certain there’s going to be all kinds of stuff concerning the pandemic popping out quickly, but it surely’s going to be longer earlier than it actually begins.

However one thing I assumed was actually attention-grabbing about 9/11 was the best way that, as a result of it was a shared group disaster in New York, there was this etiquette. Individuals immediately cottoned onto methods of behaving or methods of giving data, and all people did it in a short time. I’d by no means seen the formation of etiquette or group course of occur that shortly.

I felt an identical means within the pandemic. No person was masking, no one was masking, no one was masking, there was a mandate, after which abruptly all people was masking. All people abruptly started panicking and working for the beans. There was this entire elaborate factor of carrying a masks within the park when nobody was there, or taking it off the second you noticed somebody within the distance. All of us obeyed the identical guidelines on the similar time. So in that means it felt recollective to me of groupthink, or the methods all of us function as animals after we’re in disaster and resolve to do the identical factor.

Within the second act, we see this appearing troupe recreating not simply the Simpsons episode, but additionally an extended industrial section. We study that they satisfaction themselves on the energy of their commercials as being what units them aside from different troupes. The industrial isn’t actually promoting something particularly, but it surely’s kind of an invocation of brand name names and varied capitalist creature comforts. What led you to together with that section within the second act?

Commercials are type of unimaginable. They’re an extremely helpful strategy to create suspense inside a story. That is one thing we don’t expertise in the identical means anymore, but it surely was you’d be experiencing your drama or your comedy, and you then’d be bopped out of it. And it’s irritating, however you then’d see one industrial, after which one other industrial, after which one other industrial. They’re really an extremely bizarre, artistic factor to have in the course of different tales. Like vaudeville in the course of the drama.

It’s concerning the consolation of wanting once more. It’s concerning the deeply bittersweet consolation of taking a look at the place we had been after we had all this meals, and the issue was somebody in your workplace taking meals from the fridge. However it’s additionally the place the place they [the actors within the play] may stretch just a little bit, in methods they won’t even perceive as being artistic.

It’s not the best way that we deal with commercials now. We discuss commercials satirically, so I feel even the very fact of watching folks dealing with commercials not satirically alerts to the viewers, in a really quiet means, that this can be a very totally different society. Even in the event you can’t fairly put your finger on it.

We additionally study within the second act that there are a bunch of different appearing troupes on the market, and so they’re all vying for management of varied Simpsons episodes to carry out. How did you resolve that copyright would outlast the apocalypse?

Any artistic group has monitored, if they might, their model of issues. So long as artwork is price one thing, folks wish to know that their model is protected, and within the absence of a copyright workplace you flip to totally different strategies. If one thing’s price one thing you’re going to be protecting of it, and artwork is at all times price one thing.

You talked about earlier that you simply knew from the start that Mr. Burns was going to be a central character, and you then ended up constructing the mess around “Cape Feare,” which is a Sideshow Bob episode the place Mr. Burns doesn’t seem. I actually love the best way that within the remaining act, we see that Sideshow Bob has turn into conflated with Mr. Burns as the good mythic villain who the Simpsons should combat. How did you come to the choice that this transformation must occur?

Villains swap out simply, as we see in Batman and Spider-Man. The hero’s at all times the identical and the villain’s at all times totally different. That doesn’t take a lot.

With out getting too far into it, I felt just like the villain within the third act can be a determine which might replicate the fears of that world, would articulate the risks which aren’t going away. In Night time of the Hunter, he’s a power who’s noncivilized. Robert Mitchum who turns into Robert de Niro who turns into Sideshow Bob: he’s uncontainable. He can’t be managed by society. Should you broaden that to all of the forces who can’t be managed in Act 3, that’s what that determine can circle round. It’s social stuff, it’s violence, it’s all the things that may’t be regulated by legislation. It’s environmental harm. All the darknesses that are invisible.

Okay, time for us to wrap up. It’s the top of the world and also you’re sitting across the campfire, telling tales. What tales are you telling?

I feel it could occur a lot the best way it occurred within the financial institution vault: you’d have a gaggle of individuals canvassing one another and riffing off of this and riffing off of that, after which one thing would catch hearth within the group. And other people would work out what sort of story they needed to listen to collectively.

So the story comes from the group and from our shared communities?

I feel it comes from our want, proper? And we don’t essentially know what we’d like till we contact on one thing that begins to satisfy that.

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